Wednesday, January 05, 2011

Hall of Fame - Would I vote for them or not... 2011 edition

So while I was lying on my yoga mat yesterday, eyes closed, I envisioned the Hall of Fame ballot in my head and what I think was going to happen this morning.

I began asking myself "Which players would I vote for and which players would I leave off?"

So OF COURSE I am going to share that with you dear readers.

Bert Blyleven

I couldn't make his case any clearer than I did a few years ago. I think Felix Hernandez's Cy Young victory showed the using of wins as a be all and end all barometer for a pitcher's worth might be ending.

And maybe I'll stop using this picture of Blyleven.

He gets elected.


Roberto Alomar

OK, a few idiots left him off their ballot because of the spitting incident. Now there is no excuse. One of the greatest second baseman of all time and best all around players of the 1990 (and a 2 time World Champion to boot) deserves to be in.

PREDICTION: He gets in


Tim Raines

I am puzzled to why Rock Raines would not be getting more support. One of the great basestealers and most exciting players of the 1980s put up terrific numbers throughout his career.

And yeah he had drug problems, but they weren't performance enhancing drugs. (A remember the innocent days of cocaine?)

PREDICTION: Not this year.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: No question.

Jack Morris

Look, I get the arguments against Jack Morris. I understand the high ERA and the tendency to look past his win total. I get it.

That being said, I'm a big fan. And I watched enough games that his teams desperately needed to win and he won. Yeah yeah yeah, big deal.

PREDICTION: It's not happening.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: Sure, but I know it likely won't happen.

Dave Parker

Maybe this is even more of an emotional pick than even Jack Morris, but man the Cobra was great. His first peak, in the late 1970s, he was arguably THE best hitter in the National League. And he had a cannon for an arm to boot. Then after his drug problems nearly won the MVP again. When you have two stretches about a decade apart of being among the elite, that should count for something.

PREDICTION: Sorry Cobra. Your support isn't strong enough.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: I'd have to say yes.

Barry Larkin

I think he was oddly underrated during his career even though he was an MVP and a Gold Glove winner. And he will be strung along a la Andre Dawson and Jim Rice and Bert Blyleven in his Hall of Fame candidacy no doubt. Why do that to the classy Larkin? Vote him in!

PREDICTION: He gains votes but not enough.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: Yes. He deserves it.

Alan Trammell

A tough one for me. He was terrific, had dominating years, won a World Series MVP and along with Cal Ripken turned short stop into a power position.

He didn't have many elite seasons and he had a hard time shining in Ripken's shadow. I can see people voting yes and I can understand voting no.

PREDICTION: Once again doesn't come close.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: I am feeling at peace today. Sure.

Jeff Bagwell

A complicated candidacy. An MVP and frequent MVP contender and someone who put up big eye popping numbers. But he also did it in an era when he wasn't alone in eye popping numbers. It isn't fair, but he is a victim of "suspicion by his era." And he did get really really big and then got really really hurt.

PREDICTION: He falls short.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: Not sure. I can be convinced either way.

Fred McGriff

At one point he sure looked like a lock for the Hall. But he seemed to be a classic compiler instead of a superstar. Now it will help his candidacy that his home run totals didn't balloon up and nor did he.

He was a steady producer, but was he an MVP? Or even in the conversation as one of the elites? It seems harsh, but this is the Hall of Fame we're talking about here.

PREDICTION: He comes up short but his defenders become more vocal.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: Right now no. But I will listen, defenders. I changed my tune on Blyleven.

Lee Smith

This is brutal for me because I was a big Lee Smith fan. I loved him on the Red Sox and elsewhere and thought he was a terrific pitcher.

But I am harsh on relievers. They are specialists and their job is to lock down big wins. He had two post season opportunities and came up short both times, losing critical games for the 1984 Cubs and the 1988 Red Sox.

Yeah, I am being mean. But what exactly is his great Hall of Fame moment?

PREDICTION: Doesn't come close to being elected.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: I wish I could, but I can't.

Harold Baines

I wrote about Harold Baines and his Hall of Fame credentials last year. If he just got 7 more hits each year he played, he'd have 3,000 hits and his supporters would be out in force.

Instead he has 2,866 hits and will never get serious consideration.

PREDICTION: Not a chance.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: Sorry Harold. Can't do it.

Dale Murphy

One of the all time good guys in baseball history, his peak was absolutely Hall of Fame worthy. Power, speed, Gold Gloves and MVPs are all on his resume.

But does a 6 year stretch, no matter how brilliant, equal a Hall of Fame career?

Sadly I don't think so.

PREDICTION: No election for Murph.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: No. He didn't do it for long enough.

Don Mattingly

He had the worst luck of any Yankee legend ever. Read it and weep. For people my age, Mattingly WAS the Yankees. He was arguably the most loved Yankee to never win a World Series ring as a player. (Bobby Murcer would be up there too.)

He had a 5 year peak where he was THE best player in the American League.

Is 5 years enough for Cooperstown?

PREDICTION: His support is fading.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: No, but not because I am a Red Sox fan.

Edgar Martinez

I was a big Edgar Martinez fan and felt he was as fearsome a hitter as you can expect in the clutch. But as a hitter specialist in a hitter crazed era, he needed to have awesome career numbers to justify the Hall of Fame. And sadly, he didn't reach any of them.

No election for Edgar.

I couldn't pull the trigger.

Juan Gonzalez

A two time MVP who once homered 5 times in a 4 game series? An imposing figure and terrifying home run hitter.

And one of the faces of the 'roid era.

He will get a startlingly small amount of the vote.

PREDICTION: This might be his only ballot.


Rafael Palmeiro

He could have been a batting champion.
He could have been a great line drive hitter.

But the back of his baseball card doesn't lie. When he became teammates with Jose Canseco he magically became an elite home run hitter.

And oh yeah, he tested positive.

PREDICTION: Don't hold your breath.


Mark McGwire

I covered this already in my Ron Kittle entry. He was destined to be a Kittle/Steve Balboni type with a better eye. Then suddenly he became the biggest home run hitter in history.

It was fun.
It was cool.
It was fake.

PREDICTION: Hall of Fame voters talk about the past. His chances are toast.

WOULD I VOTE FOR HIM: Nope, but thanks for the memories.

Forgive me if I don't break down Kevin Brown, Benito Santiago, Larry Walker, Bret Boone, Tino Martinez, Al Leiter and John Franco.

All had nice careers... but who would put them in Cooperstown?

As for Bobby Higginson, Marquis Grissom, Lenny Harris, Kirk Reuter, Raul Mondesi, Carlos Baerga and Charles Johnson... I am just eager to see which one gets the sympathy single vote.

Let's wait and see!

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  1. Anonymous8:11 AM

    I always find comments such as your about Dale Murphy interesting. "But does a 6 year stretch, no matter how brilliant, equal a Hall of Fame career?" Of course that's all that Sandy Koufax had and I don't hear anyone questioning his credentials. It was probably more like 5 great years and one good year for Koufax, and don't forget he was pitching in a pitcher's stadium in a pitcher's era as well.

    I'm not saying that one or the other deserves to be in, just seems like we often create double standards based upon reputation and the fact we see guys like Murphy fade, leaving a poor taste in the mouth. We have know way of knowing what Koufax's 31-36 y.o. seasons would have been like, but most are willing to assume he would have continued on the same arc and give him a pass.

  2. I can't disagree with you... I know it is unfair. I guess the only difference is Dale's career ground to a halt due to injuries and Koufax stopped his by his own decision.

    Hey, there are always holes in arguments. It is what makes the Hall of Fame process fun

  3. My votes go to Blyleven, Alomar, Morris, McGriff, Palmeiro, Trammell. I predict it will be Blyleven and Alomar getting in the class of 2011.

    For me: Larkin after Trammell, Bagwell and Walker will get a closer look next year. I'll wait on Smith, Mattingly, Raines and Martinez, all good players I like.

    And I don't care about the steroids issue but Gonzalez and McGwire don't have enough for me.

    That shot of Baines on his card is great.

  4. Well done, I found your picks interesting. Keep up the good work

  5. I want to see Rock Raines and Lee Smith (I don't care if you disagree) get in.

  6. Anonymous10:07 AM

    Pro Murphy argument Speed/Power/Defense
    Take 395HR, 160SB, and 5 GG's. Not nice and round numbers but Murphy was the 4th player to do this in the history of Major League baseball. All previous players are HOFers. 3 more have done it since then (Dawson, Griffey Jr, Bonds) one of those 3 are already in and the other two will get in for sure. Murphy also played CF which I think gets lost in the mix sometimes. Typically the top bombers are heavily represented at 1B, 3B, LF, and RF. The most physically demanding positions are up the middle. 2B/SS/CF/C. Of the top 50 HR hitters of alltime there is Piazza at Catcher, Ripkin Jr and Arod at SS/3B, no 2B, and 6 CF'ers. Murphy is still in the top 50 HR hitters despite the Roid ERA plowing its way in. When Murphy retired he was 19th on the all-time HR list. Only 2 players in the history of baseball have 2 MVP's and are not in the HOF. Roger Maris (.260/265HR/21SB/1GG) and Murphy (.265/398HR/161SB/5GG). Some people say Murphy's lack of top 5 MVP votes hurts him too. Too bad Murphy wasn't present in the fantasy baseball ERA where more modern stats such as OPS and WAR are gaining steam. His MVP vote robberies are easy to argue but the easiest is 1987. He was 2nd in OPS/ 2nd in HR/5th in RBI and 5th in runs with a .295 avg. His lineup protection for most of the season was Ozzie Virgil (yes the catcher). Dawson won the 1987 MVP and I think he deserved it but its a joke that Murphy wasn't top 5. I am sure it mainly was attached to his team doing poorly but the MVP voters got it wrong. If Murphy was a part of the 90's Braves domination he would be in. If Murphy's numbers were more round (like 400hr/200sb) he would probably be in also. I think the fact Rice and Dawson got in only enhances the Murphy argument.